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SloggingScotsman




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:13 am    Post subject: Education in Scotland Reply with quote

I really value my Education in Scotland. In many ways what I learnt at High School and at Heriot-Watt have enabled me in so so many different ways. I could even reasonably argue that it was my education that enabled me to rise from a broken home in a council estate to where I am today (don't laugh too hard) Laughing it certainly helped me into Price Waterhouse, and though the darkest days of my wife's illnesses education helped me to survive and keep going. To this day I keep myself very widely educated.

Anyhow in this weeks Economist, international section re PISA results it notes that while England has "barely budged" in the rankings, Scotland has "plummeted" since 2006.

What has gone wrong in Scotlands education?

You can assume I have some understanding of English education as my children are in their early twenties.

Anyone any ideas?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: Education in Scotland Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:


What has gone wrong in Scotlands education?

You can assume I have some understanding of English education as my children are in their early twenties.

Anyone any ideas?


The SNP.

I could provide a long, reasonably argued statement to support this (my wife is ex-headmistress, ex careers-guidance councillor at one of Scotland's leading Universities) but she'll just get too angry and start throwing things if I ask her to articulate it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Education in Scotland Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:


What has gone wrong in Scotlands education?

You can assume I have some understanding of English education as my children are in their early twenties.

Anyone any ideas?


The SNP.

I could provide a long, reasonably argued statement to support this (my wife is ex-headmistress, ex careers-guidance councillor at one of Scotland's leading Universities) but she'll just get too angry and start throwing things if I ask her to articulate it.


That was my initial thought along with the general policies of the vacant left
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a real shame. Hopefully the Government will work to rectify the situation and enable the people better again. A good education goes a long long way.

I genuinely felt sad when I read about it.

Without putting to fine a point on it, without my education I would have been well and truly bugg@&'d.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
It's a real shame. Hopefully the Government will work to rectify the situation and enable the people better again. A good education goes a long long way.

I genuinely felt sad when I read about it.

Without putting to fine a point on it, without my education I would have been well and truly bugg@&'d.


Where I went to school you were buggered with it or without it...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It's a real shame. Hopefully the Government will work to rectify the situation and enable the people better again. A good education goes a long long way.

I genuinely felt sad when I read about it.

Without putting to fine a point on it, without my education I would have been well and truly bugg@&'d.


Where I went to school you were buggered with it or without it...


So how is life as a Tory MP?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veggieboy wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It's a real shame. Hopefully the Government will work to rectify the situation and enable the people better again. A good education goes a long long way.

I genuinely felt sad when I read about it.

Without putting to fine a point on it, without my education I would have been well and truly bugg@&'d.


Where I went to school you were buggered with it or without it...


So how is life as a Tory MP?


i think you mean a labour one these days Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, free prescriptions & no tuition fees, stop yae moanin' auld yin Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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along with the general policies of the vacant left


To be fair, back in 2006 it was the vacant left in charge. So really this can only be pointed at the YesNP chaps...

When we moved up in 2008 it was definitely better / tougher and our youngest thrived as a result. Teachers / educationalists I know are not very happy at policy direction over last 8-10 years, and there can be no excuses when the drop has happened completely during your watch...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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along with the general policies of the vacant left


To be fair, back in 2006 it was the vacant left in charge. So really this can only be pointed at the YesNP chaps...

When we moved up in 2008 it was definitely better / tougher and our youngest thrived as a result. Teachers / educationalists I know are not very happy at policy direction over last 8-10 years, and there can be no excuses when the drop has happened completely during your watch...


the vacant left have run education for years....and pretty much still do....not exposing children to differing opinion has caused lots of problems, especially in the US
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't train a sub 1.00 100m swimmer in the same lane as the 5, 6, 7 and 8 min folks. Not sure why academic education is any different but that is what the left is determined to ram down our throats anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Stark wrote:
You don't train a sub 1.00 100m swimmer in the same lane as the 5, 6, 7 and 8 min folks. Not sure why academic education is any different but that is what the left is determined to ram down our throats anyway.


Just been to my daughter's nursery Xmas party.

It's standard practice now that pass-the-parcel has a little 'present' in each layer, so no-one's left out.

No more musical chairs, because we can't have only one winner.

Our complacent society is breeding out competitive culture, we see it in every corner of our lives now, and I lay the blame squarely on the liberal/left. It's great if everyone on this planet played by the same rules but they don't.

We have bred the 'snowflake' generation - and sowed the seeds for their, or their descendents destruction.

We're all doomed. Doomed I tell you.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
Tony Stark wrote:
You don't train a sub 1.00 100m swimmer in the same lane as the 5, 6, 7 and 8 min folks. Not sure why academic education is any different but that is what the left is determined to ram down our throats anyway.


Just been to my daughter's nursery Xmas party.

It's standard practice now that pass-the-parcel has a little 'present' in each layer, so no-one's left out.

No more musical chairs, because we can't have only one winner.


Get on the PTA and next year organise something along the lines of The Hunger Games
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:

Just been to my daughter's nursery Xmas party.

No more musical chairs, because we can't have only one winner.


You chose the nursery, no banned musical chairs round here, kids are just as competitive as they've always been. Competitiveness is simply human, people can change what they compete on, and most people rapidly rationalise it to compete on things they have a chance to win at, but they still do it.

Although sports day in reception wasn't very competitive, that was much more to do with rushing it through and avoiding multiple heats etc. Lots of competitiveness in other areas.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PISA testing is poo-poops.

I think the education kids receive today is better than anything I received.

The UK will do well in the tests when they are the target.
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