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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: There's no such thing as a new idea Reply with quote

Whilst I was waiting outside work this morning a guy was locking up what looked like a fairly old commuter bike (quill stem, bottle dynamo, downtube shifters etc.) and I noticed that his rear brake was under the bottom bracket. I thought this was the latest and greatest aero development guaranteed to knock at least an hour off your IM time.

I was then looking at saddles for my Brompton and came across this on Sheldon Brown about Brooks saddles.
In the 1890 Brooks catalogue, the oldest in the their archive, Brooks presents most of the saddles with the "registered cutting, a sure preventive to all perineal pressure".
Again, I thought this was a fairly recent development taken a stage further by the likes of Cobb, ISM etc.

Is there really no such thing as a new idea just a cyclical process of re-evaluating old concepts? Interested to hear if there are any other examples of these kind of things, just out of curiosity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BB mounted brakes were tried on MTBs in the 80s (U Brakes), but they clogged at the drop of a hat, funny old thing!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.

You try use a new one and get it through testing and acceptance - almost impossible. Just stick to something that's out there and adjust to suit. If it's out there, someone else has done the hard work for you. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink )


Is that like an 'academic' doctor?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink )


Is that like an 'academic' doctor?


I think that's as opposed to the "engineer" who comes and fixes the photocopier when it's not working Wink Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.


i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.


i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue


Just ask Slogging Scotsman
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veggieboy wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.


i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue


Just ask Slogging Scotsman


nah...a Tory and several bits of masonry can all vouch for his ideas... Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
veggieboy wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink ) - no there is no such thing as a new idea.


i am sure that there are plenty of new ideas...getting them to have a practical value may be an issue


Just ask Slogging Scotsman


nah...a Tory and several bits of masonry can all vouch for his ideas... Smile


Even the Tory can't. Thatcher died a few years back
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisk wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
awildt wrote:
As an engineer (a proper one with a degree and all Wink )


Is that like an 'academic' doctor?


I think that's as opposed to the "engineer" who comes and fixes the photocopier when it's not working Wink Rolling Eyes

Whisk (an engineer with a degree who now works in the City for a bank Wink )


I'm also a proper Engineer with an 'E' not an 'e'.

I was listening to a podcast today that suggested that some 1930s bikes had internal cabling.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, but, but... Triathlon Box!

That was definitely a new idea. The marketing said so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ironchimp wrote:
But, but, but... Triathlon Box!

That was definitely a new idea. The marketing said so.


now only 89.99
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some 'new ideas' from a 1987 race programme.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ I have a selection of late 80s/early 90s Tri mags stashed in the downstairs WC; they certainly did humour back then, almost un-PC at times. I don't read any of the stuff they produce these days.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ironchimp wrote:
But, but, but... Triathlon Box!

That was definitely a new idea. The marketing said so.


now only 89.99


And banned in most race transitions, where they'd be most useful...
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