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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Anyone get a PB at Great Scottish Run HM last October? Reply with quote

....think again Rolling Eyes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38798775
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as with most things it's caveat emptor...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if people who used this race to qualify for London Marathon Championships places will now be told they can't race.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwaters wrote:
I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.

I dont get your issue on a tri level to be honest. Marathon, TT, etc, yes, it should be correct as the times are standardised, comparable, and by their nature the courses are meant to be precise and accurate. They have the flexibility to be so as well.

Triathlon - not so much. It's very difficult to find a location where all the distances are precise when you factor in the roads, location of the swim, transition areas that often have to be where they are, etc. Not to mention that the size of transition can totally skew your time. Tri's are about racing and finishing position for me - sprint, oly, etc are just a guide for a very rough expectation of distance. I don't really consider myself to have "pb's" like I do for running.

Even Ironman branded events are not massively precise ... the bike for Weymouth 70.3 was 2k long for example. Now I'd kind of get it if you signed up for a full Ironman, and the bike was just 100 miles rather than 112, or the marathon was only 20 miles, as you'd feel you hadnt "fulfilled the publicised challenge", but a little bit of fluctuation here and there is somewhat inevitable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard wrote:
iwaters wrote:
I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.

I dont get your issue on a tri level to be honest. Marathon, TT, etc, yes, it should be correct as the times are standardised, comparable, and by their nature the courses are meant to be precise and accurate. They have the flexibility to be so as well.

Triathlon - not so much. It's very difficult to find a location where all the distances are precise when you factor in the roads, location of the swim, transition areas that often have to be where they are, etc. Not to mention that the size of transition can totally skew your time. Tri's are about racing and finishing position for me - sprint, oly, etc are just a guide for a very rough expectation of distance. I don't really consider myself to have "pb's" like I do for running.

Even Ironman branded events are not massively precise ... the bike for Weymouth 70.3 was 2k long for example. Now I'd kind of get it if you signed up for a full Ironman, and the bike was just 100 miles rather than 112, or the marathon was only 20 miles, as you'd feel you hadnt "fulfilled the publicised challenge", but a little bit of fluctuation here and there is somewhat inevitable.


yeah, I'm with this.

I've never been able to compare race to race as every course is completely different. Hell, sometimes year-to-year the same race changes slightly.

I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Stark wrote:
I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.


if it was a certified course then someone for def feked up badly...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy

2014? When we just swam across the lake, round a buoy and back again? I think I clocked 22 minutes or something insane, which is pretty darn good for a 1h20m IM distance swimmer. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrace wrote:
Gus wrote:
I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy

2014? When we just swam across the lake, round a buoy and back again? I think I clocked 22 minutes or something insane, which is pretty darn good for a 1h20m IM distance swimmer. Smile


Yep - the very one! Beautiful, clear water as well, I remember. You could see swimmers miles away left and right...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Tony Stark wrote:
I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.


if it was a certified course then someone for def feked up badly...


on the news they said that the course had to have some changes due to roadworks.
the new course was measured but with live traffic which effected the result.
they showed it being remeasured early doors with a police escort Rolling Eyes

150m? *shrug*
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