Tri Talk HomepageTri Talk EventsTri Talk ForumsBlogsTri Talk TrainingTri TradeTriPlayerWikiTeam Tri Talk
Anyone get a PB at Great Scottish Run HM last October?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    TriTalk.co.uk Forum Index -> General
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Tony Stark




Joined: 26 Apr 2007
Posts: 2428
Location: Milton Keynes

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Anyone get a PB at Great Scottish Run HM last October? Reply with quote

....think again Rolling Eyes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38798775
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
iwaters




Joined: 06 Sep 2016
Posts: 253

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
explorerJC




Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 14483
Location: Farthingstone

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as with most things it's caveat emptor...
_________________
www.appliedtri.co.uk Tri and Du coaching

www.naturalrunningform.co.uk Natural Running Form Coach

2017 Training Camps http://www.appliedtri.co.uk/training-camps/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Tony Stark




Joined: 26 Apr 2007
Posts: 2428
Location: Milton Keynes

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TriSam




Joined: 26 Aug 2011
Posts: 1164
Location: Tunbridge Wells

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if people who used this race to qualify for London Marathon Championships places will now be told they can't race.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stenard




Joined: 04 Sep 2013
Posts: 1280

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwaters wrote:
I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.

I dont get your issue on a tri level to be honest. Marathon, TT, etc, yes, it should be correct as the times are standardised, comparable, and by their nature the courses are meant to be precise and accurate. They have the flexibility to be so as well.

Triathlon - not so much. It's very difficult to find a location where all the distances are precise when you factor in the roads, location of the swim, transition areas that often have to be where they are, etc. Not to mention that the size of transition can totally skew your time. Tri's are about racing and finishing position for me - sprint, oly, etc are just a guide for a very rough expectation of distance. I don't really consider myself to have "pb's" like I do for running.

Even Ironman branded events are not massively precise ... the bike for Weymouth 70.3 was 2k long for example. Now I'd kind of get it if you signed up for a full Ironman, and the bike was just 100 miles rather than 112, or the marathon was only 20 miles, as you'd feel you hadnt "fulfilled the publicised challenge", but a little bit of fluctuation here and there is somewhat inevitable.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gus




Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Posts: 2258
Location: Freezing my nads off in Aberdoom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stenard wrote:
iwaters wrote:
I didn't run it but this type of issue in general really pisses me off.

Last year I did a handful of events. More than half had incorrect race distances, some by a large margin. One triathlon I did had the run short by 2 km.

I know people make mistakes but this happens so often and these mistakes are completely preventable.

When I am paying 50+ entry fee I, as a minimum, expect that the race distance has been checked.

I dont get your issue on a tri level to be honest. Marathon, TT, etc, yes, it should be correct as the times are standardised, comparable, and by their nature the courses are meant to be precise and accurate. They have the flexibility to be so as well.

Triathlon - not so much. It's very difficult to find a location where all the distances are precise when you factor in the roads, location of the swim, transition areas that often have to be where they are, etc. Not to mention that the size of transition can totally skew your time. Tri's are about racing and finishing position for me - sprint, oly, etc are just a guide for a very rough expectation of distance. I don't really consider myself to have "pb's" like I do for running.

Even Ironman branded events are not massively precise ... the bike for Weymouth 70.3 was 2k long for example. Now I'd kind of get it if you signed up for a full Ironman, and the bike was just 100 miles rather than 112, or the marathon was only 20 miles, as you'd feel you hadnt "fulfilled the publicised challenge", but a little bit of fluctuation here and there is somewhat inevitable.


yeah, I'm with this.

I've never been able to compare race to race as every course is completely different. Hell, sometimes year-to-year the same race changes slightly.

I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy
_________________
BLOG now updating again!
In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big...

My 15 minutes of fame
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
explorerJC




Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 14483
Location: Farthingstone

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Stark wrote:
I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.


if it was a certified course then someone for def feked up badly...
_________________
www.appliedtri.co.uk Tri and Du coaching

www.naturalrunningform.co.uk Natural Running Form Coach

2017 Training Camps http://www.appliedtri.co.uk/training-camps/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Chrace




Joined: 28 Apr 2010
Posts: 2534
Location: Eating a Yorkie

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gus wrote:
I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy

2014? When we just swam across the lake, round a buoy and back again? I think I clocked 22 minutes or something insane, which is pretty darn good for a 1h20m IM distance swimmer. Smile
_________________
Where the mind goes the body follows.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gus




Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Posts: 2258
Location: Freezing my nads off in Aberdoom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrace wrote:
Gus wrote:
I think the Wasdale Half a couple of years ago was massively short on the swim. I didn't complain and lapped up my 'incredible time' Very Happy

2014? When we just swam across the lake, round a buoy and back again? I think I clocked 22 minutes or something insane, which is pretty darn good for a 1h20m IM distance swimmer. Smile


Yep - the very one! Beautiful, clear water as well, I remember. You could see swimmers miles away left and right...
_________________
BLOG now updating again!
In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big...

My 15 minutes of fame
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ed_m




Joined: 15 May 2003
Posts: 8056
Location: coventry

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Tony Stark wrote:
I suspect the event was advertised as a certified course, so for it then not to be could be a trading standards issue.


if it was a certified course then someone for def feked up badly...


on the news they said that the course had to have some changes due to roadworks.
the new course was measured but with live traffic which effected the result.
they showed it being remeasured early doors with a police escort Rolling Eyes

150m? *shrug*
_________________
Failures are finger posts on the road to achievement [C.S. Lewis]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Whisk




Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 8431
Location: London

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same story if you got a PB at Brighton Half - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39454135

It makes you wonder if this has always been an issue and it's just the rise in the use of GPS devices that has highlighted the problem
_________________
2016: Just riding my bike....
Hot Chillee ride captain (sponsored by WattBike, Cervelo, Mavic, Lazer, Continental, Le Marq, Garmin, Sportique, Pro-Cycle Insurance, Maserati)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
gingerbongo




Joined: 21 Sep 2012
Posts: 1280
Location: Devon

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisk wrote:
Same story if you got a PB at Brighton Half - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39454135

It makes you wonder if this has always been an issue and it's just the rise in the use of GPS devices that has highlighted the problem


Exactly what i've been thinking!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tommy060289




Joined: 08 Aug 2012
Posts: 403

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I dont get your issue on a tri level to be honest. Marathon, TT, etc, yes, it should be correct as the times are standardised, comparable, and by their nature the courses are meant to be precise and accurate. They have the flexibility to be so as well.

Triathlon - not so much. It's very difficult to find a location where all the distances are precise when you factor in the roads, location of the swim, transition areas that often have to be where they are, etc. Not to mention that the size of transition can totally skew your time. Tri's are about racing and finishing position for me - sprint, oly, etc are just a guide for a very rough expectation of distance. I don't really consider myself to have "pb's" like I do for running.


I agree to an extent but there needs to be some honesty in the race instructions. If it was 9.5 km or 10.5 km then thats not a biggy but if your pacing yourself for a 10 km run and you hit 8 km and you're at the finish line you're not really being given a fair crack at racing against others who may know the course better!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JeffB




Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 1014
Location: Middlesbrough

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whisk wrote:
Same story if you got a PB at Brighton Half - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39454135

It makes you wonder if this has always been an issue and it's just the rise in the use of GPS devices that has highlighted the problem


Yes, trial by Garmin these days, and they aren't always accurate.

Similar in time trials, although there is supposed to be a slight margin for error I think but only a few metres.

Jeff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    TriTalk.co.uk Forum Index -> General All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
  Share
 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum





Home | About TT | Privacy Policy | Terms and Conditions | Advertising | Contact TT
Copyright ©2003-2015 TriTalk®.co.uk. All rights reserved.