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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: salt tablets are working wonders... Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe it was the ostarine in them that helped me through a few hot IM events and not the salt...... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what if they took no supplements or no supplements tested positive? Do they start sending in bits of food they've eaten for the last two years?

Pointless.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.


it's banned in its use by athletes, but isn't a banned substance (i assume) in manufacturing...

i don't think any manufacturer takes full liability for the products apart from medical failings or environmental damage
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.


it's banned in its use by athletes, but isn't a banned substance (i assume) in manufacturing...

i don't think any manufacturer takes full liability for the products apart from medical failings or environmental damage


Been done before.

http://landauinjurylaw.com/theathleteslawyer/2008/10/25/rebekah-keat-lawsuit-joined-by-other-pro-athletes-who-allege-tainted-supplements-caused-positive-drug-tests/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yet again its very simple to check. Any coach should know! informed sport do batch testing of supplements, go on their website, check item and batch number and you should be ok but its still at your own risk. You are also warned by UKAD that you take supplements at your own risk, there is no defence although im sure they'd be more sympathetic if you could prove 100% that it was the product.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.


it's banned in its use by athletes, but isn't a banned substance (i assume) in manufacturing...

i don't think any manufacturer takes full liability for the products apart from medical failings or environmental damage


Been done before.

http://landauinjurylaw.com/theathleteslawyer/2008/10/25/rebekah-keat-lawsuit-joined-by-other-pro-athletes-who-allege-tainted-supplements-caused-positive-drug-tests/


It never went to trial and I've not found out if/how it was settled.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.


it's banned in its use by athletes, but isn't a banned substance (i assume) in manufacturing...

i don't think any manufacturer takes full liability for the products apart from medical failings or environmental damage


Been done before.

http://landauinjurylaw.com/theathleteslawyer/2008/10/25/rebekah-keat-lawsuit-joined-by-other-pro-athletes-who-allege-tainted-supplements-caused-positive-drug-tests/


It never went to trial and I've not found out if/how it was settled.


These things rarely do.

A Hammer accountant steps in with his spreadsheet, works out how much bad publicity = lost revenue against how much to give a back hander to the complainant.

How much does a pro athlete really stand to lose compared to a major sports nutritional company: we really are talking bags of peanuts here.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
moonmonkey02 wrote:
Seems like one of the standard excuses to trot out nowadays: blame a contaminated supplement.

If this was true and you're livelihood depends on it surely you'd be suing the manufacturer/supplier/retailer?


Suing for what?


For manufacturing/retailing a tainted sports supplement that contains a banned substance which resulted in a ban for a pro: can't compete, earnings affected.


it's banned in its use by athletes, but isn't a banned substance (i assume) in manufacturing...

i don't think any manufacturer takes full liability for the products apart from medical failings or environmental damage


Been done before.

http://landauinjurylaw.com/theathleteslawyer/2008/10/25/rebekah-keat-lawsuit-joined-by-other-pro-athletes-who-allege-tainted-supplements-caused-positive-drug-tests/


unless there were great batches of contaminated product and the athlete ran their own tests, i'd guess it would be all but impossible to prove...

as for endurolytes, i think everyone in the southern hemisphere uses them and i suppose you expect t see more positives ...they didn't help me any (beyond their defined use)...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
yet again its very simple to check. Any coach should know! informed sport do batch testing of supplements, go on their website, check item and batch number and you should be ok but its still at your own risk. You are also warned by UKAD that you take supplements at your own risk, there is no defence although im sure they'd be more sympathetic if you could prove 100% that it was the product.


On paper, simple. In reality, not so much.

One athlete received only a 6 month ban as she still had some unopened salt tabs that were proved to have the substance in them. I don't recall the batch testing statement.

Some supplement manufacturers test all batches, some don't. It is a minefield for those who rely on sport for income. A pro cannot stop at an IM feedstation and lookup a gel batch online during a race.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat5 in the Hat wrote:
hammerer wrote:
yet again its very simple to check. Any coach should know! informed sport do batch testing of supplements, go on their website, check item and batch number and you should be ok but its still at your own risk. You are also warned by UKAD that you take supplements at your own risk, there is no defence although im sure they'd be more sympathetic if you could prove 100% that it was the product.


On paper, simple. In reality, not so much.

One athlete received only a 6 month ban as she still had some unopened salt tabs that were proved to have the substance in them. I don't recall the batch testing statement.

Some supplement manufacturers test all batches, some don't. It is a minefield for those who rely on sport for income. A pro cannot stop at an IM feedstation and lookup a gel batch online during a race.


personal needs bag...and carry their own....

but i do have some sympathy...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonmonkey02 wrote:
These things rarely do


You're right that the result is rarely disclosed however if there was a settlement, it would be normal to at least say there was a settlement.

By following the names of the athletes contained in the class action suit, there are multiple references to the athletes having ben found guilty and no mention at all of any settlement, in or out of court.

there are references to arbitration, and that the case against Hammer completely failed but sentences were reduced due to the athlete not having gone out of their way to avoid the rules and so full sanction was inappropriate.

BTW follow the Amber Neben articles as there are some interesting bits in there.
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