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The appropriately named Hobson's choice....
Scotland to get another vote
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
UK to vote on behalf of Scotland
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Scotland to crack on with what the people wanted last time
76%
 76%  [ 13 ]
Total Votes : 17

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Tuesday poll Reply with quote

It's Hobson's choice again.....but with a third choice...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uuuurg......I am all over the place on this.

I can't help but think that the SNP must have sighed a quiet sigh of relief after the oil price crashed just after the last vote.

I also think that while (1) Independence is the reason for being of the SNP, (2) this is a tactical move in response to Mays actions re EU, albeit one with strategic potential.

But i don't think that having a vote every few years is the right thing to do, unless it is genuinely driven by the will of the people, not by politicians. That is one of the reasons that some mistrust the EU.

But to answer the question. It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.

So I would feel happier for a third option to include all Scots this time, not just people who happen to live in Scotland.

But given the choice, I have to say it is a matter for Scotland to decide.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical the choices have changed!

As it's only been a few years and is driven by politicians not by the public, I voted abide by last decision.

Seriously though all Scots should have a say the next time. It could be done by postal votes including birth certificate copy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thought though out of the EU, GB falling apart, and teenage girls missing school as they can't afford tampons. Poli...bloody....ticians!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-brexiteer-scottish-independence/

Or looking it another way....Britain has the right to declare 'UDI' but not Scotland Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't like to deny people a choice, but i hope that the SNP get over themselves on this, it causes more harm than good...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
umm let me think.....it is my country? Ok I had to move to London to work during a recesssion, met an English lass, got married etc, but Scotland is still my country (though I do see myself as Scottish, British, European and Earthling).

If Scotland had more jobs when I graduated, perhaps I would not have had to emigrate down south to find work.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
umm let me think.....it is my country? Ok I had to move to London to work during a recesssion, met an English lass, got married etc, but Scotland is still my country (though I do see myself as Scottish, British, European and Earthling).

If Scotland had more jobs when I graduated, perhaps I would not have had to emigrate down south to find work.


Interesting. So what criteria do you set for someone to be eligible to vote?

For example - I was born and raised in Scotland until I was 14, moved to England and then returned to Scotland for university before moving abroad for work for a few years before returning to England where I've settled. I'm now 40(ish), do I get a vote?

Personally I don't think I should but that's just me!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
umm let me think.....it is my country? Ok I had to move to London to work during a recesssion, met an English lass, got married etc, but Scotland is still my country (though I do see myself as Scottish, British, European and Earthling).

If Scotland had more jobs when I graduated, perhaps I would not have had to emigrate down south to find work.


Interesting. So what criteria do you set for someone to be eligible to vote?

For example - I was born and raised in Scotland until I was 14, moved to England and then returned to Scotland for university before moving abroad for work for a few years before returning to England where I've settled. I'm now 40(ish), do I get a vote?

Personally I don't think I should but that's just me!
i think you should, as you are Scottish. Scotland is your country. You may not live there now, but Scotland gave you life (so to speak) and as such you have the right to help decide its future. But that's just me!

The biggest problems are practical, like ensuring robust polling cost effectively.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There must be tens of thousands of squaddie brats that under a 'i was born in Scotland' ruling would be eligible to vote....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
umm let me think.....it is my country? Ok I had to move to London to work during a recesssion, met an English lass, got married etc, but Scotland is still my country (though I do see myself as Scottish, British, European and Earthling).

If Scotland had more jobs when I graduated, perhaps I would not have had to emigrate down south to find work.


I am pretty much in the same situation, but don't think I should have the right to have a say, it might be nice to be asked and I have a keen interest in the result, but I made the decision to leave and have settled elsewhere. I think it should be up to those who live in Scotland to decide Scotland's future, not us ex-pats.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I approve of your stance Doug. I know several jocks who all want a say but no longer reside. As a former resident I wonder if I should claim a vote Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To coin one of modern music's most influential thinkers (Jack Johnson) "it's better together"
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SloggingScotsman wrote:
MarkyMark76 wrote:
SloggingScotsman wrote:
It has to be a vote by the people of Scotland, including Scots like me who live in England or abroad. We have the right to contribute to the destiny of Scotland.


Why?
umm let me think.....it is my country? Ok I had to move to London to work during a recesssion, met an English lass, got married etc, but Scotland is still my country (though I do see myself as Scottish, British, European and Earthling).

If Scotland had more jobs when I graduated, perhaps I would not have had to emigrate down south to find work.


By the same nature do the other nationalities that have moved to Scotland for work or because they have Scottish spouse have no right to vote in it because they are not Scots?
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