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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Kids and University and making you think Reply with quote

For me the single biggest thing that I got out of University was the ability to think. Widely, deeply, laterally, upside down and any and all ways. This has been a valuable asset for me throughout my life.

About a decade ago I heard that this was also the aim of Oxford University's tutors. (Iirc a book about their tutorial system).

Now my daughter is sweating her final months at Uni, and I asked her last night what she has gained from her time. And the first thing that she said was something to the effect that "its fric@ing annoying now as she thinks about everything and believes little at first hear". I am proud! So it seems that our universities are still managing to help their student learn how to critically think, how to step aside from a situation and assess the relative truths of a topic.

So apart from being a proud dad its good to see universities managing to continue use to deliver such results, now that it is sadly more bums on seats than anything else (might be unfair).

Have you had similar experiences with your own and your children's time at university? I too often hear that University is a waste of time nowadays.


Just my opinion but being able to think against conventional wisdom, and against what the media portray, and to laterally think from different perspectives generally are important skills. Even if it gets you into trouble from time to time as eg egos gets bruised.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need ABB or higher to get in, the university is actually planning on teaching something and wants decent students, otherwise they are just doing it for the money and don't really care about the outcome.
A typical scam is to give students an iPad or similar for voting and awarding high satisfaction scores in the annual surveys so the university moves up the ranking tables giving a false impression of academic prowess.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Kids and University and making you think Reply with quote

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For me the single biggest thing that I got out of University was the ability to think. Widely, deeply, laterally, upside down and any and all ways. This has been a valuable asset for me throughout my life.


I'm impressed, Sloggers. All I got out of university was a 20-a-day habit, the ability to tolerate a disgusting amount of snakebite, and probably an STD or two.

None of these have been valuable throughout my life.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Kids and University and making you think Reply with quote

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For me the single biggest thing that I got out of University was the ability to think. Widely, deeply, laterally, upside down and any and all ways. This has been a valuable asset for me throughout my life.


I'm impressed, Sloggers. All I got out of university was a 20-a-day habit, the ability to tolerate a disgusting amount of snakebite, and probably an STD or two.

None of these have been valuable throughout my life.
the result of me being way to serious and social misfit.

Ah snakebite, I just reminisce on the fifty pence pints! Which happened to equate to my bus fare. More than once I weighed up another pint against an early hour c10 mile walk home. Guess what inevitably won. At least I was fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: Kids and University and making you think Reply with quote

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SloggingScotsman wrote:
For me the single biggest thing that I got out of University was the ability to think. Widely, deeply, laterally, upside down and any and all ways. This has been a valuable asset for me throughout my life.


I'm impressed, Sloggers. All I got out of university was a 20-a-day habit, the ability to tolerate a disgusting amount of snakebite, and probably an STD or two.

None of these have been valuable throughout my life.
the result of me being way to serious and social misfit.

Ah snakebite, I just reminisce on the fifty pence pints! Which happened to equate to my bus fare. More than once I weighed up another pint against an early hour c10 mile walk home. Guess what inevitably won. At least I was fit.


Showing your age there Wink 50p a pint... same in my day.

I seem to recall I also drank snakebite and black - a dash of blackcurrant IIRC.

I did play rugby back in those days, and most of us on the team smoked quite heavily - god knows how we hauled ourselves around the pitch for 80 minutes. Different days!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was my first time living away from home, so I learned independence, how to cook, how to manage my finances and so on. So the time was certainly of some use. I did Sports Science, which was quite niche back then, and tbh I haven't used it in any professional capacity in the last 22 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
It was my first time living away from home, so I learned independence, how to cook, how to manage my finances and so on. So the time was certainly of some use. I did Sports Science, which was quite niche back then, and tbh I haven't used it in any professional capacity in the last 22 years.


Perhaps you could use it to help build your sub 10 training plan
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammerer wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
It was my first time living away from home, so I learned independence, how to cook, how to manage my finances and so on. So the time was certainly of some use. I did Sports Science, which was quite niche back then, and tbh I haven't used it in any professional capacity in the last 22 years.


Perhaps you could use it to help build your sub 10 training plan


22 years lost to the world of sport Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
hammerer wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
It was my first time living away from home, so I learned independence, how to cook, how to manage my finances and so on. So the time was certainly of some use. I did Sports Science, which was quite niche back then, and tbh I haven't used it in any professional capacity in the last 22 years.


Perhaps you could use it to help build your sub 10 training plan


22 years lost to the world of sport Smile


There's a difference between writing a plan, and be either able or arsed to follow it Wink Tbh, I've learned as much through experience in the last 22 years doing endurance sport, than I did on a degree course.

Obviously a degree in Sport Science and 24 years of Triathlon experience can't hold a candle to someone who's been doing Tri for 2-3 years and has their BTF Level 1 ticket. I reckon I wouldn't trust my time, let alone my money with 90% of 'qualified' triathlon coaches.

But if you want a 10h finish to be a formality on 8-10h a week, as a 43 yr old with a 2 & 6 yr old, then look at me, and wonder if I'm doing something right Nana
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
explorerJC wrote:
hammerer wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
It was my first time living away from home, so I learned independence, how to cook, how to manage my finances and so on. So the time was certainly of some use. I did Sports Science, which was quite niche back then, and tbh I haven't used it in any professional capacity in the last 22 years.


Perhaps you could use it to help build your sub 10 training plan


22 years lost to the world of sport Smile


There's a difference between writing a plan, and be either able or arsed to follow it Wink Tbh, I've learned as much through experience in the last 22 years doing endurance sport, than I did on a degree course.

Obviously a degree in Sport Science and 24 years of Triathlon experience can't hold a candle to someone who's been doing Tri for 2-3 years and has their BTF Level 1 ticket. I reckon I wouldn't trust my time, let alone my money with 90% of 'qualified' triathlon coaches.

But if you want a 10h finish to be a formality on 8-10h a week, as a 43 yr old with a 2 & 6 yr old, then look at me, and wonder if I'm doing something right Nana


I'm a L2 but only coach juniors. Much more rewarding than helping some MAMIL doing Ironman in nearly sub 10hrs Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a L2 but only coach juniors. Much more rewarding than helping some MAMIL doing Ironman in nearly sub 10hrs Twisted Evil


Is that because their BS detectors aren't fully developed Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorgan wrote:
hammerer wrote:

I'm a L2 but only coach juniors. Much more rewarding than helping some MAMIL doing Ironman in nearly sub 10hrs Twisted Evil


Is that because their BS detectors aren't fully developed Laughing


I'm not usually employed to keep the tat parlours busy.....our good friend k. would get arsy if I did...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of lecturers at my uni were dire. They were only there to avoid the job. Actually my Geography lecturer was superb, but the others...

So yes uni did prepare me to critically think, mainly they were useless and the best way was through your own work and reading. Went back to do a Masters and that was the biggest load of tripe ever. Loads of papers which manage to say nothing of substance whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SwimsLikeAWalrus wrote:
The majority of lecturers at my uni were dire. They were only there to avoid the job. Actually my Geography lecturer was superb, but the others...

So yes uni did prepare me to critically think, mainly they were useless and the best way was through your own work and reading. Went back to do a Masters and that was the biggest load of tripe ever. Loads of papers which manage to say nothing of substance whatsoever.

Smile

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i agree, from the limited number of academic papers that I have read recently, most just seem to follow a set formula.....quote others, conclude, make recommendations. I just get the feeling that there is "safety" in relying on previous published papers over creative thinking. But as I don't read many papers nowadays this might be unfair.

My own university lecturers were great. Perhaps I was lucky!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

explorerJC wrote:
Jorgan wrote:
hammerer wrote:

I'm a L2 but only coach juniors. Much more rewarding than helping some MAMIL doing Ironman in nearly sub 10hrs Twisted Evil


Is that because their BS detectors aren't fully developed Laughing


I'm not usually employed to keep the tat parlours busy.....our good friend k. would get arsy if I did...


You should add that to Coach Ed. Anyone with the tat , instant fail and anyone coaching people with the tat struck off.
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